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Title: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: Levi on February 25, 2014, 05:40:37 am
Hello everyone! :)

I just suspended this project because of copyright issues. But i'm not going to stop here, i'm planing to convert/import Freeware aircrafts, so users can fly them too, not only me. Yeah some users (like HiFlyer (http://forum.outerra.com/index.php?action=profile;u=90642) and TimXWB (http://forum.outerra.com/index.php?action=profile;u=113827)) suggested that to me and I just agree with them.

And about this aircraft posted here... i don't know, maybe i'll import it just to see how a High quality aircraft looks in Outerra.


---------------First Post---------------
Today i have some good news for all the Flight Simulator Enthusiasts!

What i'm about to do, is trying to bring into Outerra a very beautifully detailed Commercial Aircraft made by Aerosoft for MS-FSX wich is called Airbus X Extended A320/A321 (http://en.shop.aerosoft.com/eshop.php?action=article_detail&s_supplier_aid=12065&s_design=DEFAULT&shopfilter_category=flight%20simulation&s_language=english). It contains the Airbus A320 and A321 with a couple of variations and liveries, but for now i'm going to focus particularly on the A321-211 CFM (without Sharklets).

The process will be a bit longer because i have to manually readjust all the movable parts and set them ready to be able to re-animate them(this includes all buttons, switches, etc...). Another problem i have to deal with, is that the Cabin is made separately from the exterior/fuselage, so i have to remodelate(this word even exist? :D) the meshes in order to fit nicely together without having to switch between Interior/Exterior hiding the exterior when we are inside and vice-versa. But maybe switching between Interior/Exterior will be better if we are talking about performance, and at this moment, i have no idea how to do that because I've never imported any vehicle into Outerra, yet, but i hope this nice community will help me to get the Aircraft ready to fly above the wonderful Outerra's terrain. But before I ask you for any help, i'm gonna search on this forum for possible answers. :)

Here i have some images of the aircraft in the import process:

(http://i.minus.com/irQUapTiNoPyk.png)(http://i.minus.com/iZhf10vydmdQc.png)(http://i.minus.com/iQ7RmlMvxjLdi.png)(http://i.minus.com/ibfwzzZo5lBv9x.png)(http://i.minus.com/iR8bwVejf4sPG.png)(http://i.minus.com/iHg0ejjnMh4Ks.png)(http://i.minus.com/i3wsGJOhKRfB6.png)(http://i.minus.com/iD70DMBtOrZWs.png)(http://i.minus.com/ib1qzoATmNreVo.png)(http://i.minus.com/iIvWJ0OcWbmcs.png)(http://i.minus.com/iAdwrigqvTzzQ.png)

As you can see, the High-Poly cabin is modeled separately from the exterior:
(http://i.minus.com/ibh0P1CzZZzJXc.png)


For any questions, suggestions or critics, please post a reply :)
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: HiFlyer on February 25, 2014, 07:09:51 am
Its an exciting prospect, and your pictures are great. All I would say is please be careful, as their may be copyright issues that neither you or the Outerra developers want to have to be on the wrong side of.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: Levi on February 25, 2014, 07:25:19 am
Its an exciting prospect, and your pictures are great. All I would say is please be careful, as their may be copyright issues that neither you or the Outerra developers want to have to be on the wrong side of.

Yeah, for sure it's copyrighted, but i hope they don't mind hehe. I'm not gonna do it for commercial proposes and/or to make money from their work neither, i'ts only for personal use and for fun. isn't it? :)
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: James on February 25, 2014, 07:46:00 am
Nice to see a larger airliner in Outerra. :D
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: MathijsKok on February 25, 2014, 08:52:35 am
Its an exciting prospect, and your pictures are great. All I would say is please be careful, as their may be copyright issues that neither you or the Outerra developers want to have to be on the wrong side of.

Yeah, for sure it's copyrighted, but i hope they don't mind hehe. I'm not gonna do it for commercial proposes and/or to make money from their work neither, i'ts only for personal use and for fun. isn't it? :)

I am not sure why this is good news for anybody but yourself because you are not allowed to share your conversion with anybody without getting a reseller license from us. For personal use it's fine. Although the sales license does not allow decompiling as you clearly did, I don't really mind that. I feel that when you buy something it is yours and you can do what you want with it.

For others, keep in mind that the 3d model that is shown here is of course not what we sell. The 3d model is only 15% of the product. It's the systems that are by far the biggest part of a product like this.  We got no plans to release anything for Outerra at this moment.

Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: 2eyed on February 25, 2014, 09:36:36 am
Wow,Lord Aerosoft honoures us with their. ;)
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: PytonPago on February 25, 2014, 10:12:04 am
Its a fine work airliner there ... true, internal systems are a ton of work on a such thing - OT will take some time to be able getting those things work. But a Start-up procedure animation could be done there (yes, you would just watch it go - nothing more). But maybe there will be in future a fast and easy import way for FS aircraft's.

A nice hidding-script is in the Shavrov (you will have a lot of things to hide whyte that cockpit there - will work, but be prepared for some swearing nights :D ) - you may look at that flyer Levi - maybe use the MIGs gear retraction too.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: Levi on February 25, 2014, 10:22:00 am
Its an exciting prospect, and your pictures are great. All I would say is please be careful, as their may be copyright issues that neither you or the Outerra developers want to have to be on the wrong side of.

Yeah, for sure it's copyrighted, but i hope they don't mind hehe. I'm not gonna do it for commercial proposes and/or to make money from their work neither, i'ts only for personal use and for fun. isn't it? :)

I am not sure why this is good news for anybody but yourself because you are not allowed to share your conversion with anybody without getting a reseller license from us. For personal use it's fine. Although the sales license does not allow decompiling as you clearly did, I don't really mind that. I feel that when you buy something it is yours and you can do what you want with it.

For others, keep in mind that the 3d model that is shown here is of course not what we sell. The 3d model is only 15% of the product. It's the systems that are by far the biggest part of a product like this.  We got no plans to release anything for Outerra at this moment.

It seems that i can't share it without getting a reseller license from you, btw how much does the license costs (only for the 3d model if it's posible)? But until then, i'll share this model only through photos and videos :D ah, btw the good news are not only about sharing the actual model but it's more about to see how a complex aircraft works in Outerra. Thanks for the reply!
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: Levi on February 25, 2014, 10:32:29 am
Its a fine work airliner there ... true, internal systems are a ton of work on a such thing - OT will take some time to be able getting those things work. But a Start-up procedure animation could be done there (yes, you would just watch it go - nothing more). But maybe there will be in future a fast and easy import way for FS aircraft's.

A nice hidding-script is in the Shavrov (you will have a lot of things to hide whyte that cockpit there - will work, but be prepared for some swearing nights :D ) - you may look at that flyer Levi - maybe use the MIGs gear retraction too.

Definitely that's what i'll do, looking at other aircrafts to see how they are made/scripted  :D. Thx for the reference, i'll take a look at that Shavrov and at MIG's gear retraction too.

Quote
(you will have a lot of things to hide whyte that cockpit there - will work, but be prepared for some swearing nights :D )
It doesn't matter if there are too many objects on the cockpit, i'll group them together and i'll hide the whole group, but this of course if it's possible to do  :-\ we will see...
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: MathijsKok on February 25, 2014, 10:42:10 am
Its an exciting prospect, and your pictures are great. All I would say is please be careful, as their may be copyright issues that neither you or the Outerra developers want to have to be on the wrong side of.

Yeah, for sure it's copyrighted, but i hope they don't mind hehe. I'm not gonna do it for commercial proposes and/or to make money from their work neither, i'ts only for personal use and for fun. isn't it? :)

I am not sure why this is good news for anybody but yourself because you are not allowed to share your conversion with anybody without getting a reseller license from us. For personal use it's fine. Although the sales license does not allow decompiling as you clearly did, I don't really mind that. I feel that when you buy something it is yours and you can do what you want with it.

For others, keep in mind that the 3d model that is shown here is of course not what we sell. The 3d model is only 15% of the product. It's the systems that are by far the biggest part of a product like this.  We got no plans to release anything for Outerra at this moment.

It seems that i can't share it without getting a reseller license from you, btw how much does the license costs (only for the 3d model if it's posible)? But until then, i'll share this model only through photos and videos :D ah, btw the good news are not only about sharing the actual model but it's more about to see how a complex aircraft works in Outerra. Thanks for the reply!

To buy a commercial license for a model like that is of course highly depending on what it will be used for, but you got to think 5.000 to 10.000 Euro. It's in that range. We have sold it to professional companies a few times, you even might have seen it in a movie!
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: Levi on February 25, 2014, 11:21:13 am
Its an exciting prospect, and your pictures are great. All I would say is please be careful, as their may be copyright issues that neither you or the Outerra developers want to have to be on the wrong side of.

Yeah, for sure it's copyrighted, but i hope they don't mind hehe. I'm not gonna do it for commercial proposes and/or to make money from their work neither, i'ts only for personal use and for fun. isn't it? :)

I am not sure why this is good news for anybody but yourself because you are not allowed to share your conversion with anybody without getting a reseller license from us. For personal use it's fine. Although the sales license does not allow decompiling as you clearly did, I don't really mind that. I feel that when you buy something it is yours and you can do what you want with it.

For others, keep in mind that the 3d model that is shown here is of course not what we sell. The 3d model is only 15% of the product. It's the systems that are by far the biggest part of a product like this.  We got no plans to release anything for Outerra at this moment.

It seems that i can't share it without getting a reseller license from you, btw how much does the license costs (only for the 3d model if it's posible)? But until then, i'll share this model only through photos and videos :D ah, btw the good news are not only about sharing the actual model but it's more about to see how a complex aircraft works in Outerra. Thanks for the reply!

To buy a commercial license for a model like that is of course highly depending on what it will be used for, but you got to think 5.000 to 10.000 Euro. It's in that range. We have sold it to professional companies a few times, you even might have seen it in a movie!
That's for sure a high price for what I was going to do. I wasn't going to sell it or something like that, just to share it for Outerra format only so users can be able to fly it, without any proffits.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: ZeosPantera on February 25, 2014, 11:35:17 am
Well there is always a way to make money for something awesome. If you are willing to go out, license models and release them for free here I am sure one or two or 60 people would put a dollar a month into a www.patreon.com (http://www.patreon.com) account. Crowd funding is king of getting things done.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: MathijsKok on February 25, 2014, 12:43:42 pm
Its an exciting prospect, and your pictures are great. All I would say is please be careful, as their may be copyright issues that neither you or the Outerra developers want to have to be on the wrong side of.

Yeah, for sure it's copyrighted, but i hope they don't mind hehe. I'm not gonna do it for commercial proposes and/or to make money from their work neither, i'ts only for personal use and for fun. isn't it? :)

I am not sure why this is good news for anybody but yourself because you are not allowed to share your conversion with anybody without getting a reseller license from us. For personal use it's fine. Although the sales license does not allow decompiling as you clearly did, I don't really mind that. I feel that when you buy something it is yours and you can do what you want with it.

For others, keep in mind that the 3d model that is shown here is of course not what we sell. The 3d model is only 15% of the product. It's the systems that are by far the biggest part of a product like this.  We got no plans to release anything for Outerra at this moment.

It seems that i can't share it without getting a reseller license from you, btw how much does the license costs (only for the 3d model if it's posible)? But until then, i'll share this model only through photos and videos :D ah, btw the good news are not only about sharing the actual model but it's more about to see how a complex aircraft works in Outerra. Thanks for the reply!

To buy a commercial license for a model like that is of course highly depending on what it will be used for, but you got to think 5.000 to 10.000 Euro. It's in that range. We have sold it to professional companies a few times, you even might have seen it in a movie!
That's for sure a high price for what I was going to do. I wasn't going to sell it or something like that, just to share it for Outerra format only so users can be able to fly it, without any proffits.

I am sorry, that would be a clear copyright violation. The only thing possible would be for you to share your tools so other owners of the product could replicate what you did. But every polygon and bitmap of that product is copyrighted and cannot be shared without our permission.  I am surprised you thought you could share it without our permission and I am glad this is clear so you do not get into legal problems.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: MathijsKok on February 25, 2014, 12:53:51 pm
Well there is always a way to make money for something awesome. If you are willing to go out, license models and release them for free here I am sure one or two or 60 people would put a dollar a month into a www.patreon.com (http://www.patreon.com) account. Crowd funding is king of getting things done.

Sorry but if somebody wants to license something from us and give it out for free he better be ready to pay for the complete development and all the money we hope to make from it in the future. In total we got over 10 man year into this project (say 25.000 hours). We are not talking a dollar here and there. We are talking many hundreds of thousands of dollars in pure salaries alone.

So we'll protect that investment seriously and I feel this discussion is rather futile. I love Outerra but there is no way this project will see it's way to Outerra in the near future.

Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: HiFlyer on February 25, 2014, 01:41:42 pm
Hmmm...........

Interesting conversation. Levi, if Aerosoft doesn't want their stuff used, there are plenty of nice freeware planes out there that their designers probably wouldn't mind being used, as they have already been released to the public. Being somewhat simpler in general, they would probably be even easier and quicker to convert without losing all that much, since Outerra really cant use the complex systems yet anyway.

Probably just a quick email to the person explaining what you want to do, and asking for permission or/and help might be enough!

There are so many generous and creative people out there that somebody is just bound to say yes!  :)

Maybe freebies from a site like this? http://simviation.com//downloads.html (http://simviation.com//downloads.html)
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: TimXWB on February 26, 2014, 03:22:43 am
Hey, im new to the forums! After recognizing outerra, I now look nearly every day at the forums and follow the progress. I am amazed of this engine. ;D
I can only agree what Hifly posted, there is a huge amount of nice freeware aircraft around, for example project airbus, or tenukuu development studios with boeing aircraft. Importing aircraft from the flight sims would be just awsome.

I would really love to see an airliner in outerra, so it would be cool if you stic to your idea Levi! :)
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: Levi on February 26, 2014, 08:31:59 am
Hmmm...........

Interesting conversation. Levi, if Aerosoft doesn't want their stuff used, there are plenty of nice freeware planes out there that their designers probably wouldn't mind being used, as they have already been released to the public. Being somewhat simpler in general, they would probably be even easier and quicker to convert without losing all that much, since Outerra really cant use the complex systems yet anyway.

Probably just a quick email to the person explaining what you want to do, and asking for permission or/and help might be enough!

There are so many generous and creative people out there that somebody is just bound to say yes!  :)

Maybe freebies from a site like this? http://simviation.com//downloads.html (http://simviation.com//downloads.html)

Hello HiFlyer!

Yep, i agree with you, although if freeware aircrafts (not all) aren't so complex and/or High detailed, al least there is a chance to use them in Outerra and Share them with the users too, because payware aircrafts are too problematic, for this propose.
And about the converting process, there is not a big difference, maybe because freeware aircrafts don't have so many movable parts, specially in the interior/cabin, so I don't have to animate each one. Maybe i'm wrong and some freeware aircrafts are complex too idk :D

Then when i'll find a nicely detailed freeware aircraft, i have to find the creator's E-mail... will be that a problem? maybe you guys can help me with that idk :)
btw thanks for the link, i'll take a look to those aircrafts.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: Levi on February 26, 2014, 08:37:37 am
Hey, im new to the forums! After recognizing outerra, I now look nearly every day at the forums and follow the progress. I am amazed of this engine. ;D
I can only agree what Hifly posted, there is a huge amount of nice freeware aircraft around, for example project airbus, or tenukuu development studios with boeing aircraft. Importing aircraft from the flight sims would be just awsome.

I would really love to see an airliner in outerra, so it would be cool if you stic to your idea Levi! :)

Hey TimXWB! Welcome to the Outerra forum! :)

Thanks for the references, i'll take a look to their aircrafts :) Cheers!
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [WIP]
Post by: HiFlyer on February 26, 2014, 11:30:19 am
Hmmm...........

Interesting conversation. Levi, if Aerosoft doesn't want their stuff used, there are plenty of nice freeware planes out there that their designers probably wouldn't mind being used, as they have already been released to the public. Being somewhat simpler in general, they would probably be even easier and quicker to convert without losing all that much, since Outerra really cant use the complex systems yet anyway.

Probably just a quick email to the person explaining what you want to do, and asking for permission or/and help might be enough!

There are so many generous and creative people out there that somebody is just bound to say yes!  :)

Maybe freebies from a site like this? http://simviation.com//downloads.html (http://simviation.com//downloads.html)

Hello HiFlyer!

Yep, i agree with you, although if freeware aircrafts (not all) aren't so complex and/or High detailed, al least there is a chance to use them in Outerra and Share them with the users too, because payware aircrafts are too problematic, for this propose.
And about the converting process, there is not a big difference, maybe because freeware aircrafts don't have so many movable parts, specially in the interior/cabin, so I don't have to animate each one. Maybe i'm wrong and some freeware aircrafts are complex too idk :D

Then when i'll find a nicely detailed freeware aircraft, i have to find the creator's E-mail... will be that a problem? maybe you guys can help me with that idk :)
btw thanks for the link, i'll take a look to those aircrafts.

The eclipse from here is free and their email is listed. Its a very nice plane though not a big jet!  ;)

http://www.aerobask.com/ (http://www.aerobask.com/)

Eclipse 550 for X-Plane. Flight test. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnb0R5PswUY#ws)


Lots of planes here. (you may have to join to see them) http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads (http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads)
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: DeanosBeano on February 26, 2014, 12:27:08 pm


Have Fun :)

http://www.blendswap.com/blends/search?term=aircraft&s (http://www.blendswap.com/blends/search?term=aircraft&s)[blend_license]=&s[blender_version]=0

 Remember  always credit people  that is the worst crime :)
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: PytonPago on February 26, 2014, 12:55:39 pm
WOW There ! ... That Eclypse is a fine piece of work too.

As for the cockpit, there is still a lot t be done in OT and the Flight-simulator stuff part of it do do the cockpit a "full-click" thingy anyway, but no one is holding a person from getting it in and adjust at least the flight-characteristics, while keeping all the needed stuff for later, when the possibility is there to finish it to the bitter-sweet Sim magnificence of a birdy thing.  ;D There will be a bigger boom sooner or later anyway.  ;)

As for the flyers, contacting the freeware creators about the model and possible documentation about few details about them  (like meshes and pivot settings - operation details of the concrete aircraft and stuff), having a little friendly chat might be a good idea - maybe they even jump into helping ya get it into OT whyte some better JSBSim settings. Ill try that on your place.

Also - Liqid cristal dispaly avionics !!! We need to re-make the MIG to some fancy like that new sexy 35-ver or the nice little Su-34 Swan lady ...

(http://www.aereo.jor.br/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mig-35-cockpit-2.jpg)

... HMMM ... now that im thinking about it - its OT where talking about here. We should just jump straight to a Tu-95 Intercontinental bomber ( I know that Black-jack is supersonic, but we need those world-laudest turbofans, so the polar-bears can hear us !  ;D ) and make a Air-refuel vehicle, so we can take a damn whole weekend flight-trip trough the Atlantic and back again on military ration packs and coffee.

Thall be da best weekend ewer ... what ya think ?

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/06/article-2213727-155553DD000005DC-731_634x417.jpg)

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: TimXWB on February 26, 2014, 02:25:13 pm
http://poskyarchive.com/ (http://poskyarchive.com/)

Here you can also find pretty nice planes- and there is also an email adress  8) I also like the eclipse- but i think when there is an airliner and some videos about it on youtube, even more people will recognize outerra :)
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: mike4 on February 27, 2014, 04:04:16 am
Yes with Blender x-plane scripts you can import FSX/FS9 models. Anyway the simplest would be to convert Flightgear GPL aircrafts. Have a look at the GPL licence and some also use the JSBSim flightmodel.
I'm not a fan of such...why not create a new plane from scratch?
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: TimXWB on February 27, 2014, 05:01:42 am
Sadly until now i have no clue at all of importing, and i dont know how much work is necessary therefore, but I could imagane that creating a new model from scratch is a huge amount of work.  :) I think in general when talking about the source of planes, Fs/x-plane models are a lot nicer to look at. The level of details is extremely high, including animations like flap mechanisms or wingflex etc :)

Fs 737
http://flightsimglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/N737BA.jpg (http://flightsimglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/N737BA.jpg)

flightgear 737
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/87/fgfsscreen132.png (http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/87/fgfsscreen132.png)
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: mercenar1e on February 27, 2014, 07:51:01 pm
http://www.irissimulations.com.au/ (http://www.irissimulations.com.au/)

this website is highly recommended, you can contact the author for permission (he gave permission to import his free aircraft to dezkit for his arma 3 mod called "Ivory Aircraft")

when your on the website go to the Hangar Page tab then go to Free Flight Simulator Aircraft.. view and pick then contact =D
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: mike4 on February 28, 2014, 01:03:29 am
TimXWB, you should enable AA in Nvidia settings globally for Flightgear. (maybe also in fgrun, I forgot) There are also beautiful FG aircrafts, indeed. Your Blender knowledge is the limit.
But how about importing some FSX into FG and Outerra. Probably you find help for the avionics etc. as both use jsbsim.
Good luck
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: Levi on March 01, 2014, 01:05:16 pm
As for the flyers, contacting the freeware creators about the model and possible documentation about few details about them  (like meshes and pivot settings - operation details of the concrete aircraft and stuff), having a little friendly chat might be a good idea - maybe they even jump into helping ya get it into OT whyte some better JSBSim settings. Ill try that on your place.

That's exactly what I did :) I've been talking via E-mail with a gentle person, and now I have the permission to bring a nice Aircraft (it's not a big jet, but still) into Outerra. He also gave me the Project file so i can see the pivots rotation and all that stuff. Soon I'll open a new topic with that plane :)
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: Levi on March 01, 2014, 01:11:21 pm
Thanks all for your support, recommendations and references, I'll take a look to your links when i have some free time because right now I'm working with one :) It takes a while until it's ready to fly hehe  :D
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: KelvinNZ on March 01, 2014, 04:22:54 pm
Hey guys,

I really don't think this is the time to risk legal problems by using any existing paid products in Outerra. You could have many sleepless nights as well as the making the developers nervous too.

There are quite a few developers out there that would probably be more open for helping design aircraft and scenery that would also help with the prototyping of Outerra as a flight simulator and wouldn't have the legal constraints as with other unnamed 3rd parties.

from their perspective they will never agree to using their stuff in Outerra unless they see possible revenue coming from it.

there are some good royalty free models out their to start with.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: mercenar1e on March 01, 2014, 06:59:48 pm
Hey guys,

I really don't think this is the time to risk legal problems by using any existing paid products in Outerra. You could have many sleepless nights as well as the making the developers nervous too.

There are quite a few developers out there that would probably be more open for helping design aircraft and scenery that would also help with the prototyping of Outerra as a flight simulator and wouldn't have the legal constraints as with other unnamed 3rd parties.

from their perspective they will never agree to using their stuff in Outerra unless they see possible revenue coming from it.

there are some good royalty free models out their to start with.

have you read the second page? or the updated first post? it clearly explains he is moving away from the paid models to import free aircraft and on the second page we have provided him with links to just that. there is no risk.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: KelvinNZ on March 01, 2014, 07:55:27 pm
Yeah, i've read it. Just posting my 2 cents. He's taking on an adventure, I hope he can achieve what he expects to achieve from it. There's always a shortage of people like this who want to create and develop.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: mercenar1e on March 01, 2014, 08:23:17 pm
Yeah, i've read it. Just posting my 2 cents. He's taking on an adventure, I hope he can achieve what he expects to achieve from it. There's always a shortage of people like this who want to create and develop.


I am curious to see the model he picked to port over.. Hopefully he sheds some light  ;D
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: John514 on March 02, 2014, 11:08:01 am
An interesting project. Make sure that you take a look over at Project Airbus. http://www.pafs.wf/ (http://www.pafs.wf/)
Their content is free and I think (correct m if I`m wrong) you are free to modify it.
ALTHOUGH contact the delevopers just to be sure.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: zzz on March 03, 2014, 06:21:42 am
Hey guys,

I really don't think this is the time to risk legal problems by using any existing paid products in Outerra. You could have many sleepless nights as well as the making the developers nervous too.

There's literally no way this could impact negatively on the Outerra devs.
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: DeanosBeano on March 03, 2014, 06:50:20 am
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There's literally no way this could impact negatively on the Outerra devs.

 Hi , it can impact if the files are hosted here only you are right .
 However , it has also a general impact of "Outerra is place were stolen models are used and allowed to be shown in forums " in additon Model makers do not like to see someone elses work used this way and fear for there own Intelectual Property , very loosely  it can be said that because these stolen model and media shown in Outerra and this attarcts people here who then buy Outerra because of it , then the Models were used for commercial use .
 I have seen before very  heavy legal procedures from Big international company , its not a joke to mess with them , even the time and stress dealing with these things can have Impact on small companies.

 However it seems Levi accepted this and now we all put good Creative commons liscence links :) ( just need to establish his GTA buildings legality i think .
 
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: 517463102 on June 22, 2014, 04:25:13 am
FSX
Title: Re: Airbus A321-211 CFM [?]
Post by: alialiali on June 22, 2014, 09:26:07 am
FSX

If you're suggesting taking the fsx model. That's gonna really stir up some legal issues.