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Anteworld - Outerra Game => Game & gameplay discussion => Topic started by: C. Shawn Smith on March 02, 2011, 11:58:28 am
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Cameni's given me permission to give a basic synopsis of the backstory for the game.
Cameni approached me about helping to create the story that revolves around the game, and had an idea to publish a few novellas that would coincide with the game. I'm currently working on the first novella, although until more details can be ironed out for the game, it's only in a modest infancy. The backstory will setup the game and the player's ultimate goals. Additionally, more novellas may be developed to further the game's story-line, which may or may not be partly driven by players' actions.
The following synopsis is subject to change, and may give an indication of what technologies, etc, might be available, as well as the time-table. And it gives a hint at the Thintawatokiya.
The Outerra Initiative:
By the middle of the 21st century, the nations of the planet Earth came together in an era of mutual cooperation and benefit. Technology advanced exponentially. In a few short years, quantum computing, cryogenic hibernation, and alternative forms of energy became common-place, ushering in a golden age of mankind.
Towards the end of the 21st century, a series of natural disasters forced humanity to consider long-term survival. With the recent discoveries of pristine Earth-like worlds within short distances of the Earth, the International Space Agency began planning the most ambitious effort humanity has ever undertaken: The creation of an interstellar space vessel capable of ferrying millions of potential colonists to these new worlds.
Known officially as the Outerra Initiative, the ISA commissioned the first interstellar vessel, known as the ISA Outerra. Over five kilometers in length and half that in diameter, it would be humanity's most technologically advanced creation in history. Its mission: To travel to ten different star systems within a 40 light year distance of the Earth, and establish colonies on each of the various worlds, to ensure humanity's survival.
Under the command of Captain Amanda Pierce, the ISA Outerra began it's 500 year odysey on December 31st, 2099.
Although the initial few colonies seemed to thrive, a series of disasters began to take their toll on the Initiative. All communications with the Earth were lost, and one-by-one, the colonies so-recently established became silent. Almost hopelessly off-course, the Outerra begins to make its long trek back home.
Many dozens of centuries later, a crippled and weary Outerra returns to Earth, finding no signs of civilization. Humanity -- at least on Earth -- had become extinct.
The Outerra's new mission: Recolonize the planet Earth, and discover the mystery of humanity's demise.
Something still lurks on the planet Earth, seeking humanity's extinction. What is it, and can it be stopped before the last of Humanity is wiped out once and for all?
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If it's alright with cameni, I volunteer to help with the technical specifications of the ISA Outerra.
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Technical matter that just crossed my mind: If you assume ISA Outerra is capable of .25c, it would take 80 years to travel 20 light years. To travel to 10 star systems in this radius and back to Earth within 500 years at that speed seems to be stretching it. .5c seems to work better: 40 years to travel 20 light years. Any thoughts?
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There's a spreadsheet I have that calculates the relativistic effects. All the numbers above were done off the top of my head without referring to it (it's fubar'd at the moment), except for the 500 year mission (relativistically, only about a decade passes on the Outerra). I'm going to try and go back to correct the figures though, but I need to fix the formulas in my spreadsheet. I was working on modifying it and something broke. The total distance traveled is closer to 500 light years, though.
And that 20 light year radius was a typo that I failed to catch. I think the average is 20 LY ... some are 50LY, I believe.
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We need the ship to return some 500-1000 years after the demise of humanity, to get the desired decay of man made structures. Assuming the civilization went on for some time after the departure of the mothership, we could stretch it to ~1500 years.
We also don't want to go too far with technology advancement and sci-fi factor, so I'd prefer the ship not to use some hyper super drive, meaning I'd go for the lowest speed that fits the equation.
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The biggest technical details for the Outerra is the basic design, mass, volume, etc. I know we struggled with numbers for a long time, trying to get it in the realm of believability.
Oh, and this reminds me of something I've been wanting to post :p. Need to make an adjustment ...
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I agree some super tech should have been created to assure this entire scenario is possible and plausible but the level of tech shouldn't seem so advanced that the fact that the wheel has not been phased out seems out of place.
Also the thinthatsgonnakillya.. A few things sould be considered and discussed. Perhaps on its own thread but for now.
Giant spiders...
Furries that grafted animal flesh to their own and became rabid wiping out humanity...
Zombies/mutants (too obvious)...
Killer Bees...
Dragons...
The Dramatic return of dinosaurs... (niche awesome)
Something that only comes out during the day... (Night monsters are over done)
Santa Claws...
etc etc.
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Cameni and Angrypig already have a line on that, I think. I daresay, though, most players won't even see those Things That Want to Kill You for the first couple of weeks of playing ... maybe hints here and there, and an unfortunate few who have very bad luck.
I like the idea of the night monsters, though, a la Pitch Black, as long as it's done well. It would be hard to get something unique enough to satisfy that though. I have a few thoughts, but I want to flesh them out a bit first.
At anyrate, this is stuff for another thread :). Perhaps we need to isolate particular topics pertaining to specific areas of the game?
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Perhaps we need to isolate particular topics pertaining to specific areas of the game?
Well I think you may be right in the forum topic per game "category". I think we can break it down to 10 or 15 specific aspects which should help us all elaborate on Ideas and even help the OT crew keep track of exactly what they need to tackle. Sort of like a checklist just filled with angry people.
Categories I think should exist are....
Weapons
Tools
Player Models
Base Structures
Vehicle Roles
Tactics / Gameplay
Story (just so you can yell at everyone smith ;) )
Enemy's / NPC animals
Natural Resources
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Story (just so you can yell at everyone smith
:lol:
Back on topic :) ... I think Cameni's correct in the other thread regarding this timeline. It should be around the 22nd century, if not the end of this century. The tech to build most of the systems for the Outerra is either already available, or in the works even now. The only thing up in the air is cryogenics.
This would also allow many of the vehicles etc to look more conventional, with conventional methods of propulsion.
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I edited the synopsis, pinning the date temporarily to the end of the 21st century, just to see how it feels. What does everyone think?
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Categories I think should exist are....
Weapons
Tools
Player Models
Base Structures
Vehicle Roles
Tactics / Gameplay
Story (just so you can yell at everyone smith )
Enemy's / NPC animals
Natural Resources
Add to that Skills System
Although not necessary in Flight Simulators or Racing Games, if you're going to have characters building things or extracting resources, you want some sort of skill/leveling system to prevent players from building the UbResEx (Uber-Resource-Extractor) and Food Replicator from day one ... especially if you allow resources extractors to continue extraction while offline.
I have some thoughts on this that I'll write up in the next week or so as I have time. I started on it once before, but never got around to finishing it, so I'll save it for a dedicated thread when it's done.
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I edited the synopsis, pinning the date temporarily to the end of the 21st century, just to see how it feels. What does everyone think?
I like it. Keeps the tech more conventional. Has there been any major occurrences between NOW and THEN? World war or the like? That's your job to set the scene for us leaving earth as natural disasters is all a bit vague. I wouldn't think that would be enough for a planetary Exodus of this scale.
Add to that Skills System - some sort of skill/leveling system to prevent players from building the UbResEx (Uber-Resource-Extractor) and Food Replicator from day one
Skill system seems a bit too mmo. and not the good kind. Maybe an RTS style "research" system may have a better shot. Warzone2100 (the RTS) has a research system with a pretty complex tech tree. Taking time and resources to research a certain branch of a weapon type, building material or vehicle upgrade would unlock more of that type of thing when completed.
Here is the actual WZ2100 Tech tree..
http://guide.wz2100.net/r/tech-tree
Now in an RTS it takes time to get all your research done, about 4-5 hours. So in Outerra you would need to have each item take 1-4 HOURS.. Though I see an issue with this type system as new players will have a marked advantage to players with 3-4 weeks lead time (again moot if not multiplayer).
You couldn't make it possible to level all the skills simultaneously and consequently I think the OT team should hold back some branches while they are developed. So everyone plateau's and waits for "tech from the mothership". In fact wz2100 (which had a similar post apocalyptic story) had it so that you could find "artifacts" in enemy strongholds and randomly throughout the game area. This would make sense in the context of the current Outerra storyline as well. People leave earth but the remaining people stay and develop new tech that the crew of the OT have never heard of. It could drive the entire system.
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Has there been any major occurrences between NOW and THEN? World war or the like? That's your job to set the scene for us leaving earth as natural disasters is all a bit vague. I wouldn't think that would be enough for a planetary Exodus of this scale.
Well, when I first started conceiving the plot, there were no real disasters, save for the fact that all the near-Earth colonies (Moon, Mars, Europa, Titan) all were near-failures. There was a point when it wasn't certain this story-line would even be used for the game, so I created an alternative version for my own use just in case. However, this kind of exodus still needs some sort of event to spur the need, I think (regardless of what Cameni or Angrypig might say to that :D, but that's just MHO).
The only thing I can say about the alternate plot I created was that a small cometary body impacted the moon, completely wiping out the dozen or so colonies we had established there. The fallout from the impact eventually rained down on the Earth, destroying or damaging a number of major cities as well. The general consensus from the scientific community was that this could have been an Extinction Level Event, so plans were drawn up to insure humanity's survival.
There are a few other things that happened, but some of them may be used for the hidden plot of the game, so are classified Above Top Secret for now ;) For right now though, none of it's really necessary for the mechanics of the game, so it's being kept intentionally vague. I'm sure Cameni and Angrypig will reveal some of it in the near future though.
As for your idea, I like it, but I think it should be in the realm of days instead of hours for some of the more advanced tech. Some structures, like perhaps a Fusion Reactor, should take a few weeks of game-time, if not months. Although if multiplayer is allowed, multiple characters working together should be able to reduce that time. But again, that belongs in a different thread.
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I like it. Keeps the tech more conventional. Has there been any major occurrences between NOW and THEN? World war or the like? That's your job to set the scene for us leaving earth as natural disasters is all a bit vague. I wouldn't think that would be enough for a planetary Exodus of this scale.
Nothing major happened until the departure of the mothership, and even some time after that. It should be viewed as something humanity wanted to do - to colonize other systems, not because it's forced to do (there wouldn't be enough time if this was the case), but because it can, and because it wants to spread itself to lessen the risk of its obliteration when constrained to one planet.
What exactly then happened on Earth it's not so important now & here - that's part of story we are working on with Shawn.
Skill system seems a bit too mmo. and not the good kind. Maybe an RTS style "research" system may have a better shot.
I'd actually weaken even the need to do a "research". Mothership should be providing tech in exchange for precious resources from players. The players would be more like farmers/colonizers, in the sense they will build on their land, and could produce most of the stuff they need, but for the hi-tech stuff (or a newly developed tech) they will have to do an exchange with Mothership, at least initially.
There still would be an upgrade tree - like enhancing the ability to refine ores to extract more precious metals needed for better units and so on. Each module there could have several properties upgradable.
And the whole thing will be veeeery slow when compared to an RTS clickfest. There should be much to do in the world during the time your machines are fulfilling your designs.
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Nothing major happened until the departure of the mothership, and even some time after that. It should be viewed as something humanity wanted to do - to colonize other systems, not because it's forced to do (there wouldn't be enough time if this was the case), but because it can, and because it wants to spread itself to lessen the risk of its obliteration when constrained to one planet.
What exactly then happened on Earth it's not so important now & here - that's part of story we are working on with Shawn.
Actually, he said it a lot better than I did :p.
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Well, the way you just described the mothership withholding technology from the "farmers" until they give the resources up seems a bit "ripe with disdain and revolt". They should all be on the same side not mothership higherup's vs farmers (a bit too Firefly/Gundam Wing). I would imagine the crew of the Outerra would have been highly educated technicians to maintain the ship over the centuries.
What if along with the resources mined and refined the technology artifact that are gathered from the now extinct earth are sent to the mothership and they do the research and send the tech back down to help/upgrade. There facilities would be better equipped for that task and keep the mothership from just becoming a giant hungry nanny in the sky withholding treats.
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I didn't mean the technology will be withheld from the colonizers, but that they will have to pay for it by the mined resources and produced goods.
Mothership becoming independent is IMO inevitable, if it was a real thing. There will be many nations going to recolonize the planet, most of them heading for their home places. There will be statistics and maps showing newly growing states and alliances. The mothership's something like an independent body providing various services; it will be us. It will grow more independent with each year of recolonization, following it's own devices gradually. It's only logical this would happen.
If it's ripe with disdain and revolt - well then, that will be the episode II ;)
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Outerra: Episode 1 -- The Phantom Colony
Outerra: Episode 2 -- The Outerra Wars
Outerra: Episode 3 -- Revenge of the Colonists
:D
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Think of it like this, Zeos ...
When the Outerra reaches its first colony at Epsilon Eridani, the Outerra likely would have dropped computer databases storing ALL the tech for the colony, since the Outerra would not be returning. However, after a few dozen centuries, the Outerra is in very bad shape, low on resources, and damaged. Since they won't be leaving, having to drop databases with the tech is unnecessary. So when they get to Earth and find it devasted, the Outerra command staff makes the decision to exchange the tech for resources to help rebuild the ship, since it's the last bastion of the history of Humanity. Eventually, most of the fragmented colonies will become self-sufficient, and if game mechanics allowed, wouldn't have the need for the Outerra eventually. And as Cameni mentions: "following it's own devices gradually," that actually opens up some cool subplots for the game :) Who knows what plans the command staff of the ISA Outerra has in store for the New Earth. There's some really cool possibilities there.
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Hate to resurrect this older thread, but I've been in a writer's block for a few months now. I started reading some Clarke, and a few ideas have been kicking around my head a bit.
I'm curious: Those of you who read science fiction, what particular things do you look for? What do you NOT like? From my conversations with Cameni (and through him, Angrypig), I have a general idea of what they like and what they are looking for (and especially what they DON'T like ... I won't mention the series Lost to Angrypig ;) ... er, oops :D).
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This isn't really a thread you don't bump. It's your thread bump away.
I don't read much sci-fi. But I do watch sci-fi, lots.
Things I like:
-Humor (farscape, firefly)
-Believable technology (firefly)
-Overcoming oppression
-Outsmarting a superior force with common human sense (farscape F'yeah)
-Non-humanoid aliens
Things I don't like.
-Shows that reset to the status quo every episode
-Made up super tech to further a plot
-Denial of physics
-Laser weapons created 500 years into the future that MISS!
-"aliens" that are just dudes in makup.
Examples I reference as good are Farscape, Firefly, the ORIGINAL star wars, original star trek (kirk was a womanizer!) The first Starship Troopers was a GREAT movie. Believable tech, Believable aliens and presented in a wartime propaganda way.
Anime is also a great resource for inspiration concerning Sci-Fi. Cowboy Bebop is probably the most known and best to reference. Interesting technology to support life on mars and gate travel etc. Evangelion is a more emotional and tech exaggerating series. Never got into the whole Ghost in the Shell series. Little too mental for me.
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Things I don't like.
-Shows that reset to the status quo every episode
-Made up super tech to further a plot
-Denial of physics
-Laser weapons created 500 years into the future that MISS!
-"aliens" that are just dudes in makup.
LOL ... some of my pet peeves too, especially the lasers that miss. Babylon 5 had lasers that missed, sort of, but it was done in proper context of the physics (aiming, moving the gun to actually zero in on the target, etc), even if the whole "I can see that laser! That's not REAL!" thing was a little hard to swallow. Lasers, fortunately, won't factor much into the story. I only know of a single scene involving high-powered lasers blasting asteroids or knocking them off-course to avoid impact with the ship.
Physics (General Relativity) is a major plot device for the introductory novel (prologue, if you will), and the basis of the current state of the game. As for aliens, well, there will be, sort of, but not in the manner everyone thinks. I've spoken with Cameni about it at great length, and his ideas will be incorporated into the novel to help foreshadow the end of humanity back on Earth, though again, not in the manner anyone thinks. He had a really great idea on this, something that's probably been done before, but it's rare if it has (and I've read a LOT of science fiction). It's probably a little more common in most unknown or under-appreciated scifi movies.
Unfortunately, some of this will be by nature "mental" as you put it, for the Prologue. It's just a necessary thing. However, I'm hoping to introduce enough action and intensity into it that you won't really consider it for what it is, so it should flow effectively.
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LOL ... some of my pet peeves too, especially the lasers that miss.
http://www.reddit.com/r/scifi/comments/gwtio/regarding_the_accuracy_of_stormtroopers/
That actually makes sense? Still doesn't explain Star Trek's inaccuracy
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http://www.reddit.com/r/scifi/comments/gwtio/regarding_the_accuracy_of_stormtroopers/
That actually makes sense? Still doesn't explain Star Trek's inaccuracy
Not really, letting at least one high profile target get away with plans for your ultimate weapon doesn't make much sense. As for Trek, the weapons being used are phasers, which from what I've read are somewhat slower than light, and are being used at much greater distances, so there are bound to be some misses, especially considering the unbelievable sub-light acceleration Trek ships have. If anyone wants, I can provide some examples.
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Thought I'd bump this thread a little with a look at the potential cover art for the novella :). Note that the right part of the image is the front cover, the middle part is the spine, and the left part is the back cover. Ignore the text in this image, as I converted it for desktop artwork and may eventually have it printed out on archival paper suitable for framing.
This "ship" in the image is still a placeholder. I haven't done any matte extensions for it yet.
Warning: Full pixel resolution 1920x1200
(http://www.cshawnsmith.com/images/space_art6.jpg) (http://www.cshawnsmith.com/images/space_art6.jpg)
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OMG Zombies, that would be perfect for the death of humanity as we know it. LOL 500 years later the only things left could be zombiefied creatures, perhaps even some sick mating ritual for humanoid zombies.
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OMG Zombies, that would be perfect for the death of humanity as we know it. LOL 500 years later the only things left could be zombiefied creatures, perhaps even some sick mating ritual for humanoid zombies.
Maybe ewen an history rewind ... we already had manny great ages and ampires that just wanished or been destroyed day after day by a new enemy, that didnt organize themselwes afterwards, or a plot of some sort, like that middle-east ampire in witch the brother of the empirror took him down in an civil war and the population then took the road of spreading around, leaving ewerithing behind and eventually forgetting (desstroying all their evidence and just dont wanted to know about that period ewer sence) ...
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I can't believe I didn't post this years ago, but I think this needs to play when you launch the game for the first time. ;D
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end)
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Sci-fi for me has to be advanced, but believable. The wondrous thing about Iain M. Banks' books about the culture, is that everyone has very human, or at least very believable, instincts, even if they have four arms (the lady with four arms happens to play a double-bass reincarnation, grounding her in my mind as 'humanic'). The Idirans have human ideals about honour that you could find in soldiers.
I quite like humour (who doesn't?), and one great plot was when they (no need to know how) went to a planet called Ea (a with umlaut)... they had a 'king', with an entourage that the protagonist thought was wasteful - "why waste money getting people to stand around all day?". On a night-time visit, they went to the backstreets, and saw a one-legged beggar. Took me ages to realise that Banks was describing Earth, but he did it so masterfully... he really took the p*ss out of Earth and its inhabitants. Although calling the planet Ea was too close to Earth :P
Anyway, their tech... :D super-dooper computers, called Minds, that were far faster and more intelligent than even the brightest of humans. They've developed sentience, and thankfully humour as well! Lasers, etc. in abundance... spaceships housing 400bn people, 2km deep, 40km long, etc., hovering drones with aura fields to display emotion (like pets and tails you could say); Subliming involves moving humans into a digital world, a different kind of dimension...; the ships can fly 'under the skein of space and time' (don't understand :( ); and finally wormholes everywhere. Turns out LaGrange points (points of zero resultant gravity) can be found at the centre of gas-giants - and tunnels to the centre are plausible.
Sorry for bumping, I believe someone says I can? :P
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Sci-fi for me has to be advanced, but believable. The wondrous thing about Iain M. Banks' books about the culture, is that everyone has very human, or at least very believable, instincts, even if they have four arms...
Technically, there is no need for characters in sci-fi to be humanoid, or have human-like thinking or behaviour. Good example is "Ender-world" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender%27s_Game_series). Human-like aliens make the story much easier to tell and understand, but also it put limits on creativity.
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Sci-fi for me has to be advanced, but believable. The wondrous thing about Iain M. Banks' books about the culture, is that everyone has very human, or at least very believable, instincts, even if they have four arms...
Technically, there is no need for characters in sci-fi to be humanoid, or have human-like thinking or behaviour. Good example is "Ender-world" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender%27s_Game_series). Human-like aliens make the story much easier to tell and understand, but also it put limits on creativity.
.. heh, just thought, too much un-human thinking in a world of people that can not imagine a complex reaction of a simple change in this world may make it more a huge WTDeliciousTacoBoxOnPluto experience, getting dizzy all the time just thinking about it. ;D
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Cameni's given me permission to give a basic synopsis of the backstory for the game.
Cameni approached me about helping to create the story that revolves around the game, and had an idea to publish a few novellas that would coincide with the game. I'm currently working on the first novella, although until more details can be ironed out for the game, it's only in a modest infancy. The backstory will setup the game and the player's ultimate goals. Additionally, more novellas may be developed to further the game's story-line, which may or may not be partly driven by players' actions.
The following synopsis is subject to change, and may give an indication of what technologies, etc, might be available, as well as the time-table. And it gives a hint at the Thintawatokiya.
The Outerra Initiative:
By the middle of the 21st century, the nations of the planet Earth came together in an era of mutual cooperation and benefit. Technology advanced exponentially. In a few short years, quantum computing, cryogenic hibernation, and alternative forms of energy became common-place, ushering in a golden age of mankind.
Towards the end of the 21st century, a series of natural disasters forced humanity to consider long-term survival. With the recent discoveries of pristine Earth-like worlds within short distances of the Earth, the International Space Agency began planning the most ambitious effort humanity has ever undertaken: The creation of an interstellar space vessel capable of ferrying millions of potential colonists to these new worlds.
Known officially as the Outerra Initiative, the ISA commissioned the first interstellar vessel, known as the ISA Outerra. Over five kilometers in length and half that in diameter, it would be humanity's most technologically advanced creation in history. Its mission: To travel to ten different star systems within a 40 light year distance of the Earth, and establish colonies on each of the various worlds, to ensure humanity's survival.
Under the command of Captain Amanda Pierce, the ISA Outerra began it's 500 year odysey on December 31st, 2099.
Although the initial few colonies seemed to thrive, a series of disasters began to take their toll on the Initiative. All communications with the Earth were lost, and one-by-one, the colonies so-recently established became silent. Almost hopelessly off-course, the Outerra begins to make its long trek back home.
Many dozens of centuries later, a crippled and weary Outerra returns to Earth, finding no signs of civilization. Humanity -- at least on Earth -- had become extinct.
The Outerra's new mission: Recolonize the planet Earth, and discover the mystery of humanity's demise.
Something still lurks on the planet Earth, seeking humanity's extinction. What is it, and can it be stopped before the last of Humanity is wiped out once and for all?
Great stuff, hope it gets into the game!
And I would love to read all the additional novels about Outerra. :)
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I didn't mean the technology will be withheld from the colonizers, but that they will have to pay for it by the mined resources and produced goods.
Mothership becoming independent is IMO inevitable, if it was a real thing. There will be many nations going to recolonize the planet, most of them heading for their home places. There will be statistics and maps showing newly growing states and alliances. The mothership's something like an independent body providing various services; it will be us. It will grow more independent with each year of recolonization, following it's own devices gradually. It's only logical this would happen.
If it's ripe with disdain and revolt - well then, that will be the episode II ;)
Agreed
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I like it. Keeps the tech more conventional. Has there been any major occurrences between NOW and THEN? World war or the like? That's your job to set the scene for us leaving earth as natural disasters is all a bit vague. I wouldn't think that would be enough for a planetary Exodus of this scale.
I still think we should have some sort of basic laser or magnetic based weaponry though. I mean we are developing laser-based weapons today, surely it'll advance more in 90 odd years time?
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Hi there ... hope im not booming in too badly. Just crossed this little talk about today view at space-travel. Might be an good feed for the tech-artwork for the story-line.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M8yht_ofHc#t=2842 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M8yht_ofHc#t=2842)
Also that "stuff the bubble hits will travel along some distance" effect would be a interesting thing.
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Love the way you guys think !!!!
have any of you seen the movie "the day the earth stood still" where the "alien" clatoe sends out the nanobots to destroy humanity so earth can be cleaned again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw7tDZsRcK8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw7tDZsRcK8)