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Title: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Levi on March 14, 2015, 06:35:29 am
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk): The AgustaWestland AW101 is a medium-lift helicopter used in both military and civil applications. It was developed by joint venture between Westland Helicopters in the UK and Agusta in Italy in response to national requirements for a modern naval utility helicopter. Several operators, including the armed forces of Britain, Denmark and Portugal, use the name Merlin for their AW101 aircraft. It is manufactured at factories in Yeovil, England and Vergiate, Italy; licensed assembly work has also taken place in Japan and the United States.
This is an unofficial conversion for the AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin from AlphaSim/Virtavia (http://www.virtavia.com). The conversion is done with Phil Perrott's Permission at virtavia.com (http://www.virtavia.com).

Screenshots
(http://i.imgur.com/e4cxz7T.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/zAggZs9.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/yHSMzWV.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/ye2rScN.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/R47xUtl.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/48mimMi.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/r5DVz42.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/ahAjnBm.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/x0qsTCh.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/G7JBC8c.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/WlplhtT.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/3vDGAO4.jpg)
Gallery here (http://imgur.com/a/41tl6).
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: PytonPago on March 14, 2015, 06:53:35 am
Nice !
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: konaone on March 14, 2015, 07:54:45 am
BELLISSIMO!!
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Acetone on March 14, 2015, 09:53:22 am
Awesome :D It's interesting to see how much these vehicules look good, even if they are a freeware work.
Not sure about how much work/improvements you do on these :)
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 10:26:16 am
Quote from: Acetone on March 14, 2015, 09:53:22 am
Awesome :D It's interesting to see how much these vehicules look good, even if they are a freeware work.
Not sure about how much work/improvements you do on these :)

I think after a certain point, aircraft modeling tools have matured to the place that you might spend as much time implementing the systems as you did building the aircraft! Especially payware quality systems.
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Levi on March 14, 2015, 10:43:49 am
Quote from: Acetone on March 14, 2015, 09:53:22 am
Awesome :D It's interesting to see how much these vehicules look good, even if they are a freeware work.
Not sure about how much work/improvements you do on these :)
I like to chose the ones that look the best. ^-^

As for how much improvements I do on these, I usually just make little corrections on the meshes, adjust UVW maps if necessary, instance geometries, tessellate part of meshes where polygons are too visible, redo the smoothing groups, merge the interior with the exterior for seamless transition between those, and stuff like that.

But you always can compare with the original.
For example, you can look at this video for this particular aircraft and compare (note that the buttons on the MFDs are missing in my screenshots):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWIDlNLx3LI
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: KW71 on March 14, 2015, 11:56:06 am
Madre de Dios! Can't wait! I realy enjoy chopters.

Thanks again, Levi!
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: M7 on March 14, 2015, 12:26:33 pm
This is a beauty. Looking forwars to fly in it. Finally, helicopters are getting some love! 8)
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 12:35:48 pm
And I found out why I can't fly copters. My aircraft control settings conflict with those necessary for a copter. I can't wait until vehicle settings are separate per vehicle type.
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: M7 on March 14, 2015, 12:47:44 pm
There is a separate helicopter control tab.
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 01:18:08 pm
Quote from: M7 on March 14, 2015, 12:47:44 pm
There is a separate helicopter control tab.

Yes but controls on other tabs are inter-related. Change something there and it can affect other vehicles as well. You can quickly get a mess.
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: M7 on March 14, 2015, 01:57:37 pm
ah i didnt know... Make sense as there's not a separate vehicle instance between planes and helicopter yet.

What control you find can create conflict between planes and heli?
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 02:46:08 pm
Quote from: M7 on March 14, 2015, 01:57:37 pm
ah i didnt know... Make sense as there's not a separate vehicle instance between planes and helicopter yet.

What control you find can create conflict between planes and heli?

I use an Xbox joypad usually, and completely change the mapping for things like throttle, ailerons, flaps, changing views.......

Which also changes around the controls for other vehicles.

You can toy with my Iomap and try to fly a copter, if you like. https://www.dropbox.com/s/aklubliz4qd0fue/iomap.cfg?dl=0
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: aWac9 on March 14, 2015, 05:59:26 pm
Is able to perform this one function?
if so, ... anteworld enter a different phase. objects interact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A46znQJimUI
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Levi on March 14, 2015, 06:51:24 pm
@HiFlyer,
That's interesting, I've never had any problems with my Saitek Cyborg F.L.Y 5 Fly Stick (http://img.elmir.ua/img/136561/3000/2000/dzhoystik_madcatz_f_l_y_5_flight_stick_ccb4330200b2_04_1.jpg)...
The only thing is that Outerra doesn't recognize properly the POV Hat . Other than that, all works as it should.

Quote from: aWac9 on March 14, 2015, 05:59:26 pm
Is able to perform this one function?
if so, ... anteworld enter a different phase. objects interact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A46znQJimUI
That would be really nice, but it's not possible to interact with objects, yet...
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 07:25:16 pm
Quote from: Levi on March 14, 2015, 06:51:24 pm
@HiFlyer,
That's interesting, I've never had any problems with my Saitek Cyborg F.L.Y 5 Fly Stick (http://img.elmir.ua/img/136561/3000/2000/dzhoystik_madcatz_f_l_y_5_flight_stick_ccb4330200b2_04_1.jpg)...
The only thing is that Outerra doesn't recognize properly the POV Hat . Other than that, all works as it should.

Quote from: aWac9 on March 14, 2015, 05:59:26 pm
Is able to perform this one function?
if so, ... anteworld enter a different phase. objects interact.

That would be really nice, but it's not possible to interact with objects, yet...

Maybe you don't extensively remap your controls.........

By the way I just used a random car to push one of your windmills across the scenery........... (nods)
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Levi on March 14, 2015, 07:38:07 pm
Quote from: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 07:25:16 pm
Maybe you don't extensively remap your controls.........
I have all the controls for planes and helis mapped on both, keyboard and joystick...

Quote from: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 07:25:16 pm
By the way I just used a random car to push one of your windmills across the scenery........... (nods)
It may need a little more weight. :)) =D
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 07:39:37 pm
You could always try my Iomap and see what happens.........
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Levi on March 14, 2015, 07:53:15 pm
Quote from: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 07:39:37 pm
You could always try my Iomap and see what happens.........
I just tried your iomap, but your assignments doesn't correspond with my joystick's buttons/axes. It's all messed up. For example, the throttle lever moves the camera... :facepalm:
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 07:58:14 pm
Quote from: Levi on March 14, 2015, 07:53:15 pm
Quote from: HiFlyer on March 14, 2015, 07:39:37 pm
You could always try my Iomap and see what happens.........
I just tried your iomap, but your assignments doesn't correspond with my joystick's buttons/axes. It's all messed up. For example, the throttle lever moves the camera... :facepalm:

Hahahahahahahahah.......

(takes deep breath)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Seriously though, Outerra default settings are not so good for an Xbox controller. You are pretty much forced to change them.
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: M7 on March 15, 2015, 02:05:03 am
I gave it a try too and i couldn't get it off the ground  either . I mapped it to something that look more similar to my joystick config and it works good for basic flying. I will have to try extra pedals for throttle, I think it would help a lot for more tricky manuevers.
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: M7 on March 15, 2015, 01:07:11 pm
Found this nice video from Dslyecxi about the  basics of helicopter flight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZYMkG63cJU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZYMkG63cJU)
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 15, 2015, 01:32:19 pm
Quote from: M7 on March 15, 2015, 02:05:03 am
I gave it a try too and i couldn't get it off the ground  either . I mapped it to something that look more similar to my joystick config and it works good for basic flying. I will have to try extra pedals for throttle, I think it would help a lot for more tricky manuevers.

Default Outerra on an xbox pad sets throttle control to the lower triggers......

If you don't hold down those triggers at all times (tiring) throttle drops to %50 and your plane starts to fall from the sky. Etc.

Other buttons are similarly funky. Good thing you can change them!  :)
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 16, 2015, 02:11:22 pm
That would be really nice, but it's not possible to interact with objects, yet...
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Hmmmmmmm...... AndFlys sub interacts with the platform that raises and lowers it, but apparently thats through the use of bullet?

Would it be possible to build a JSBSIM plane with invisible bullet ghost wheels?

So that it could interact with other surfaces? Like a carrier deck?
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Levi on March 17, 2015, 04:39:18 am
Quote from: M7 on March 15, 2015, 01:07:11 pm
Found this nice video from Dslyecxi about the  basics of helicopter flight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZYMkG63cJU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZYMkG63cJU)
That's a very nice video, and very informative! Thanks for sharing it here.
I'm also impressed by the fact that JSBSim actually simulates the downwash effects! It makes hovering easier when close to the ground.

Quote from: HiFlyer on March 16, 2015, 02:11:22 pm
Hmmmmmmm...... AndFlys sub interacts with the platform that raises and lowers it, but apparently thats through the use of bullet?

Would it be possible to build a JSBSIM plane with invisible bullet ghost wheels?

So that it could interact with other surfaces? Like a carrier deck?
Yep, pretty sure Andrea's platform is using bullet physics. JSBSim is another story...

And that's a pretty good idea actually, but I don't think it's possible without official support.
I'm curious what developers have in mind for this kind of things, especially for landing on a carrier deck...

I fear that will take some time before this heli can be released, because I'll have very little time to work on it, for about a month or even two.
So I want to ask you guys of you would like me to post quick videos or something with the progress that will be made. What do you think?
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 17, 2015, 06:41:54 am
Take your time.
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Acetone on March 17, 2015, 10:40:44 am
Quote
I fear that will take some time before this heli can be released, because I'll have very little time to work on it, for about a month or even two.
So I want to ask you guys of you would like me to post quick videos or something with the progress that will be made. What do you think?

Don't worry, take your time :)
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: KW71 on March 17, 2015, 11:29:15 am
"I fear that will take some time before this heli can be released, because I'll have very little time to work on it, for about a month or even two".

No, no!!! Quit your job!!! Don't sleep!!!

(http://escueladepadresprimerizos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/berrinche-300x223.jpg)

Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: PytonPago on March 17, 2015, 11:57:37 am
Quote from: KW71 on March 17, 2015, 11:29:15 am
No, no!!! Quit your job!!! Don't sleep!!!

Let us know, when some basic income country pops-up. :D
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Levi on March 18, 2015, 06:00:44 am
Quote from: KW71 on March 17, 2015, 11:29:15 am
No, no!!! Quit your job!!! Don't sleep!!!

(http://escueladepadresprimerizos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/berrinche-300x223.jpg)
It's not actually because of my current job, but it's related anyways. And I wish I could not sleep... =D

Here is a quick video showing some basic blade-flexing. In the first two clips, the input is actually my joystick, just to show how the blade is flexing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TUfrSLOhqA
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: PytonPago on March 18, 2015, 06:44:13 am
Rocks ! ... you still do it trough multiple meshes (splitting the blades up) ?
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Levi on March 18, 2015, 06:57:23 am
Quote from: PytonPago on March 18, 2015, 06:44:13 am
Rocks ! ... you still do it trough multiple meshes (splitting the blades up) ?
Yep, each blade is split up into 8 sections, to be precise. At this moment that is the only way to do it.
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: KW71 on March 18, 2015, 10:20:34 am
Really cool!
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: PytonPago on March 18, 2015, 10:58:50 am
Quote from: Levi on March 18, 2015, 06:57:23 am
Quote from: PytonPago on March 18, 2015, 06:44:13 am
Rocks ! ... you still do it trough multiple meshes (splitting the blades up) ?
Yep, each blade is split up into 8 sections, to be precise. At this moment that is the only way to do it.

 ... cant see a single edge ! Its really great !
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: konaone on March 18, 2015, 01:57:55 pm
great effect, and that fluidity, I hope that with my old PC runs the same way. can I ask you how many fps? and that has the characteristics of your PC, and the settings of outerra? thanks for the great work 8)
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Levi on March 19, 2015, 05:36:39 am
Quote from: PytonPago on March 18, 2015, 10:58:50 am
... cant see a single edge ! Its really great !
Custom vertex normals helps a lot to hide the seams. At high angles, they become a bit visible, though...

Quote from: konaone on March 18, 2015, 01:57:55 pm
great effect, and that fluidity, I hope that with my old PC runs the same way. can I ask you how many fps? and that has the characteristics of your PC, and the settings of outerra? thanks for the great work 8)
My computer specifications:
(http://i.minus.com/iqb6jLrlAjaBY.png)(http://i.minus.com/itadsr5PEp7ft.png)
For storage, I use one HDD from Seagate:
Interface: SATA
Capacity: ~1TB
Speed: 7200 RPM
Max. Transfer Mode: SATA III 6.0Gb/s

As you can see, my rig is pretty old too.

My Outerra settings when that video was recorded (when I record longer videos, and because of the stutters, I lower almost all settings):
(http://i.minus.com/iB1OvADziqI8i.png)(http://i.minus.com/iU5u2u8uPPdmp.png)(http://i.minus.com/iOYCtybyb10lo.png)(http://i.minus.com/ixi8sViL3rMug.png)

So the average is about 35 FPS...
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: konaone on March 19, 2015, 10:06:56 am
levi thanks, now I do some testing
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 19, 2015, 01:30:50 pm
Holy Moly! Those settings get me 130fps just sitting on the ground!

Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: konaone on March 19, 2015, 03:29:54 pm
my system



Sistema operativo:   Windows 7 Home Premium, 64-bit (Service Pack 1)
Versione DirectX:   11.0
Processore GPU:      GeForce GTX 295 (GPU 1 di 2)
Versione del driver:   341.44
Versione API Direct3D:   10
Nuclei CUDA:      240
Clock principale:   576 MHz
Clock ombreggiatore:   1242 MHz
Frequenza dei dati di memoria:   1998 MHz
Interfaccia memoria:   448 bit
Memoria grafica totale disponibile:   4095 MB
Memoria video dedicata:   896 MB GDDR3
Memoria video di sistema:   0 MB
Memoria di sistema condivisa:   3199 MB
Versione BIOS video:   62.00.45.00.02
IRQ:         18
Bus:         PCI Express x16 Gen2
ID dispositivo:      10DE 05E0 064E10DE
Processore GPU:      GeForce GTX 295 (GPU 2 di 2)
Versione del driver:   341.44
Versione API Direct3D:   10
Nuclei CUDA:      240
Clock principale:   576 MHz
Clock ombreggiatore:   1242 MHz
Frequenza dei dati di memoria:   1998 MHz
Interfaccia memoria:   448 bit
Memoria grafica totale disponibile:   4095 MB
Memoria video dedicata:   896 MB GDDR3
Memoria video di sistema:   0 MB
Memoria di sistema condivisa:   3199 MB
Versione BIOS video:   62.00.45.00.01
IRQ:         16
Bus:         PCI Express x16 Gen2


with 30 fps goes to shots >:(
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: Levi on March 20, 2015, 03:25:07 am
Quote from: HiFlyer on March 19, 2015, 01:30:50 pm
Holy Moly! Those settings get me 130fps just sitting on the ground!
Yeah, I need to upgrade my system, I guess.

@konaone
That graphics card is pretty old...
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: HiFlyer on March 20, 2015, 03:30:21 am
Quote from: Levi on March 20, 2015, 03:25:07 am
Quote from: HiFlyer on March 19, 2015, 01:30:50 pm
Holy Moly! Those settings get me 130fps just sitting on the ground!
Yeah, I need to upgrade my system, I guess.

@konaone
That graphics card is pretty old...

Probably not. I just come from the FSX world, and we all have to have generally above average rigs just to get the program to run less like a hamstrung pig! Why else do you think we have so many hopeful flight simmers floating around here?  =D
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: MrWohoo on September 08, 2015, 07:30:24 pm
Gotta say, with you, KW71 and Uriah the helicopter society in Outerra is really taking off. Thank you all for this :)
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: John514 on September 09, 2015, 01:54:52 am
Quote from: MrWohoo on September 08, 2015, 07:30:24 pm
Gotta say, with you, KW71 and Uriah the helicopter society in Outerra is really taking off. Thank you all for this :)
Badum tsss
Title: Re: [WIP] AgustaWestland AW101 Merlin
Post by: konaone on September 09, 2015, 05:56:13 am
Mmmmmm. How is the work going??? ;) :)