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Outerra Engine => Off Topic => Topic started by: FsTheo on January 05, 2012, 02:07:49 pm
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Today news was released about Flight, the new Sim by Microsoft. Wel, sim.... game.
It's going to be free to play. Free, with one plane. And Hawaï. That's about it. If you want more, you have to pay.
In the past you could buy payware too, you were free to do so and there was choice, Captain Sim, PMDG, and so on.
In Flight you can choose Microsoft.
Reading this:
http://kotaku.com/5872926/the-rebirth-of-microsoft-flight-simulator-will-be-free-on-pcs-this-spring (http://kotaku.com/5872926/the-rebirth-of-microsoft-flight-simulator-will-be-free-on-pcs-this-spring)
And this:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/247326/why_freemium_is_right_for_microsoft_flight.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/247326/why_freemium_is_right_for_microsoft_flight.html)
And this:
http://forum.avsim.net/forum/365-the-microsoft-flight-forum/ (http://forum.avsim.net/forum/365-the-microsoft-flight-forum/)
And this:
http://flyawaysimulation.com/news/4317/microsoft-flight-behind-scenes-at-microsoft-studios/ (http://flyawaysimulation.com/news/4317/microsoft-flight-behind-scenes-at-microsoft-studios/)
(and much more!) one can conclude, Outerra could be more important as a basis for a flightsimulator than we thought up to now.
Let the future surprise us! :D
Theo ;)
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It's going to be arcade style sadly. Already signed up for the beta but I don't know... We'll see.
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LOL! look at the comment coming from OrbX in the AVSim thread.
I know where my money will be going, it begins with O and it isn't OrbX
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Yeah, I'm going to write him something. Orbx has had an ancient ugly pre-pre-alpha version, we received almost no feedback from them other than "what, it exists when you press ESC?", and now I read this ...
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I would be very surprised if the fsx 3rd party scenery payware brigade hadn't been keeping an eye on Outerra since then as Outerra has the potential to make at least half their job redundant.
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But it will also force them to learn new techniques and tools, which is not what they are very inclined to do.
At least for the OrbX, they essentially want something that's totally compatible with FSX. Hear him praise the FS engine and express dislike for XPX .. they would have to re-learn many things.
Another case is Aerosoft - their AFS vaporized because they just wanted someone to pull a ready-made simulator from a drawer or something.
Making a new simulator is expensive, and addon-makers won't be doing it. Not just because of the money ...
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After the news came out that Microsoft stopped every activity concerning simming, (flightsim, but trainsim too!) 3rd party payware makers start looking around. They probably keep an eye on Outerra, maybe even FlightGear!
And some of them made the jump, Carenado is now developing for X-Plane, so is REX, McPhat and even Aerosoft! No words from PMDG though, they stick to FSX for the moment. And Orbx...
Let's look at it from the bright side; it's a nice way to keep these developers busy, in the period between FSX and Outerra RC 1! ;D
Theo ;)
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I noticed I didn't actually refer to the thread... oops :) It was this "Since the cat is out of the bag" thread.
It was the venom in OrbX's post that initially annoyed me. What concern of theirs is it where you get your funding? I had drafted a much more severe post about it last night, but changed my mind as I'd had a few can's and thought better of it.
Have they played FSX? I mean seriously? Even with their huge scenery packs installed it still looks like seasonally coloured blocky vomit at anything close to ground level. That is the nature of the FSX engine. That is why I (and I suspect many others) as someone who enjoys flight sims is drooling over Outerra.
Oh and it's Frostbite, not Frostbyte.
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They really had an ugly old version for the test. What bothers me, is that he didn't provide any feedback. We talked a bit before the test about how we are going to do land class with vector data rather than their 1kmx1km sat-based raster assignment etc, but he seemed to forget it after seeing the demo with single biome, even when we said that it's early ugly alpha without it.
Funny thing is that, after another OT video that made rounds through sim circles, he came and asked for another alpha.
And that line about the funding .. I have no idea what is he aiming at.
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Wel, when John Venema writes, " It would cost us about $30 million to start from scratch, maybe more." then it's obvious that according to his idea (maybe knowledge?) you must have funding. Or being milionairs! ;D
Theo ;)
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Oh yes. We sold Angripig's soul :D
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Oh yes. We sold Angripig's soul :D
Lol
So come on Cameni, I know it's frowned upon but I can't help asking, will I / we be able to give you money for pre-order this month? :)
Before I get bashed by all and sundry I know "it's done when it's done", I'm not trying to pressure just excited like a kid before Christmas, and yes I should get out the house more :)
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Well, all I can say is that "we hope so". At the moment we are just integrating our reworked code to make it whole again. Putting those damn worms into the can :)
We have also set up another hosting with a different provider so we have some backup in case something goes wrong with serving the terrain data.
I don't think it will all go smoothly, it never does, so we are trying to ensure we'll be able to patch up the problems quickly when they pop up. That reminds me ... must check how it now behaves with Windows UAC turned on ::)
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Ah well, good luck! Time to return to my own coding, more unit tests :)
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Oh yes. We sold Angripig's soul :D
That much?!? :o ;D
I saw the reactions on Aerosoft, of course Mathijs isn't very happy with Flight:
Click (http://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php/topic/51520-ms-flight-discussion/page__hl__flight__fromsearch__1)
And somebody named 'Dahls' is defending Outerra:
Click (http://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php/topic/45525-afs-2012/page__view__findpost__p__338324)
Theo ;)
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Oh yes. We sold Angripig's soul :D
That much?!? :o ;D
I saw the reactions on Aerosoft, of course Mathijs isn't very happy with Flight:
Click (http://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php/topic/51520-ms-flight-discussion/page__hl__flight__fromsearch__1)
And somebody named 'Dahls' is defending Outerra:
Click (http://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php/topic/45525-afs-2012/page__view__findpost__p__338324)
Theo ;)
http://www.flightsim.com/main/notams12/flig0104.htm (http://www.flightsim.com/main/notams12/flig0104.htm)
-if you can use a mouse, you can fly !- proof it's going to be arcade. And they removed simulator from the title because it won't be a simulator at all.
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At least, they were honest in the first place; with closing down Aces, they said, we stop producing Sim's.
And they did.
Theo :-\
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I played a beta. Looking at testers opinions i can say only one - that's not continuation of old FS. It's something between simulator and arcade. And if they will continue their policy from AOE: Online, it will be a very expensive game... if someone will want to have something more than 2 airplanes and 1 area. :P
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To continue the FSX fun get yourself a developer licence for Prepar3d from Lockheed Martin. $10 a month for 2 client licences. Maybe it could fill the gap until we have Outerra in all its flight sim glory :)
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Prepar3d is awesome !! I just watched it. Only problem is the cost. I'd prefer to buy for 500 $ instead of a monthly fee of 10 $ sincerely. But 500 $ is too much anyway.
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Yeah, the price is steep and I believe that one of the terms of the licence is its NOT for gaming. It seems they are developing it more for commercial sim applications. I guess that was they deal they made with Microsoft for the fsx code base.
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I'd prefer to buy a hotas warthog at 500 $ instead of prepar3d.
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Thats a nice stick! A toss up between that and the older cougar. Shame the throttles don't appear to be interchangeable. Then you would be set whatever DCS do next :)
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I have X-Plane 9 and I am getting XP10 ASAP. Its WAAAY better then FSX in sooo many ways. And now that MS dropped the ball big time on this, X-Plane is going to push ahead even further. Whom ever is running MS right now is a real dummy. They obviously do not know marketing very good. If they would just take a look at their competition they would see they are getting shoved out of the gaming world. In fact, MS needs to focus more on their developer tools and less on games since they obviously cannot cut it with the big boys. ;)