So, no demo this year? Of course it's better to wait forever and we can wait another 5-6 years, when all ATI problems are solved. But hey, outerra may be little bit outdated then... I think everyone who like outerra can change their videocard to Nvidia. Clever users never buy ATI-videocard. I will never take ATI-videocard, even if they give it to me for free (even the latest model).