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[cameni]

Well it injects to other apps, probably to grab their screens and do fancy effects or something. These types of apps are known to cause issues because they like to inject into the message loop, and access graphics in a way that's not compatible with apps that run renderer loop in a different thread, like OT does.

Not all of the apps lead to problems, but many are known to cause issues like missing terrain, trees, holes etc.

[Kviki]

Unfortunately, even with rocketdock off and with the 301 drivers it's still lagging. Perhaps it's time that I upgrade the hardware :?

Also, re-deleting the two files fixes the missing grass once again..

[cameni]

But you say that the older version worked better, right? Hmm, you could revert to the previous version (run outerra.exe from command line with parameter -forceupdate 0.7.11.2968-3089), run around a while and then save the time.log.
Then next run when it updates back to 3100 do the same.

Btw is your frame rate locked to the monitor refresh rate?

What changes you are doing in the configuration so that the grass disappears? Grass depends on terrain depth level ...

[Kviki]

Well I don't really know how to roll back, I went to the command prompt and typed in

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START "D:\Program Files (x86)\Outerra\Anteworld\outerra.exe"-forceupdate 0.7.11.2968-3089I've tried it with space between the exe path and the parameter and all it does is pops out an error. And adding the parameter in the shortcut target doesn't work either :p

[cameni]

Try just:

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"D:\Program Files (x86)\Outerra\Anteworld\outerra.exe" -forceupdate 0.7.11.2968-3089

[Kviki]

Yeah it ran. It ran just like usual but nothing updated. It's still the same (latest) version.

[cameni]

Seems it ignores the older update. You can download and apply the update manually Anteworld-0.7.11.2968.patch-3089.exe, then run outerra exe with -noupdate switch.

I would like to know if there's indeed such a difference between 3100 and 3089 on that 9600 card. We made one change in the 3100 version that makes it run faster on newer hardware, and what you say looks as if it was slower on the older hardware.
But maybe the change happened earlier, before 3089.

[Kviki]

Okay I've done it. The lag was reduced for about 60%. I should point out that after patching back to 3100 3D grass was missing, yet enabled in the settings. It was working in 3089. The two logs from each version are in the zip (attachment size limit too low)

[cameni]

Almost perfect. Except that I need the time.log, not eng.log
But please just send me time.log from 3100 now, if I can't see the problem there the other log won't help me.

That grass is weird. When it's missing, do you see the bumpy grass envelope instead, or just a flat terrain under the grass?

[Kviki]

Here you go.
I see flat terrain around me and bumpy terrain which is farther away from me. Once I start moving the bumpy terrain goes flat (I don't see the 3D grass at all, only textures) Just like the 3D grass seems to work when it's there.

[cameni]

Hmm, I see syncing delays everywhere. This may be because the GPU doesn't have enough memory, 3100 consumes slightly more.

If you set terrain quality to a lower number (360), and restart, does it still happen?

[Kviki]

I've set it to 240 and It lags much less (but still does).

[cameni]

Okay, I'll have to look at the memory consumption. Something's getting fat in there.
Thanks for help!

[Kviki]

Thank you cameni! Do look at the grass too please. Still can't turn it on, even after deleting eng and world files, 3D grass is gone.

[cameni]

I thought the missing grass might be related to the memory issue as well. But you said it happens also on the other, better PC. What card is in there?